agreed in part stefen: perhaps i might have better said that all may
indeed be politics, but what politics? what nuances and levels of
engagement are possible for whom and to what ends....i do however
find people who directly engage in the political still important,
although not to a point that replaces all criticism with simple
boosterism....but it seems vital to stir things up now, perhaps now
even more than in the 80s...best - ggs
At 11:26 PM +0100 12/10/03, Stefan Beck wrote:
| | am 10.12.2003 23:17 Uhr schrieb Gregory G. Sholette unter
gshol-*at*artic.edu:
| | so, i guess my question is still: what sort of existence is there
today, in the past or ever that is not politically problematic?
|
Well, my idea is that politics in the realm of art is in a sort of disguise
and likely to be overlooked.
On reasons maybe to complicated to explain here im against I'm against these
politically concerned artists, artworks, artprojects, like dealing with
refugees or other "victims" of the "system".
We had here in Frankfurt a sort of rebellion against authorities's
repressions of nightlife, illegal parties etc for a long time. The message
for the public was, we, the party people, we're OK, we just wanta have our
fun, but you, the city, the government, you're not OK, you stop us from
having fun. With the implication that there is something like a
non-political space, of nightlife a.s.f., and a political space of rules,
laws defined by the authorities. And to become political means to adress and
attack this field of official politics.
Not that there was no truth in this scheme, but for me it turned out to be
too thin, for there is indeed a different sort of politcs in the nightlife,
and I'm speaking here of people who perceive themselves as underground,
non-commercial, even left, not the owners of big clubs or venues.
For example, who is a DJ, who's allowed to play at these fashionable
underground parties? Which records are played, and which not? Who is paid
for what and who not? Questions I posed, but never got an answer. Only myths
like, we're just friends and family. You could easily transfer this to fine
art as well.
As a conclusion I'd say that politics are likely to be found where pretended
that there are no politics. But the "it#s all politics" is likely too blunt.
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